Comments on: The Seperation of Church and Steak http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/ South Asian Culture and Heritage Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:30:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The Advantage to Islam Of Mosque-State Separation « Soach http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/#comment-672 The Advantage to Islam Of Mosque-State Separation « Soach Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:26:33 +0000 http://www.soach.org/?p=258#comment-672 [...] Comments Ghazala Khan on From Prison to ZenithNasir Rasheed on The Seperation of Church and SteakDr. Anant Bhagwat on Rethinking A Dangerous Game of ChanceAdnan Afzal on In Memoriam [...] [...] Comments Ghazala Khan on From Prison to ZenithNasir Rasheed on The Seperation of Church and SteakDr. Anant Bhagwat on Rethinking A Dangerous Game of ChanceAdnan Afzal on In Memoriam [...]

]]> By: Nasir Rasheed http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/#comment-462 Nasir Rasheed Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:36:22 +0000 http://www.soach.org/?p=258#comment-462 Sahih Bukhari - Volume 9, Book 93, Number 470: Narrated Mu'adh bin Jabal: The Prophet said, "O Mu'adh! Do you know what Allah's Right upon His slaves is?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "To worship Him (Allah) Alone and to join none in worship with Him (Allah). Do you know what their right upon Him is?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "Not to punish them (if they do so)." Sahih Bukhari – Volume 9, Book 93, Number 470:
Narrated Mu’adh bin Jabal:
The Prophet said, “O Mu’adh! Do you know what Allah’s Right upon His slaves is?” I said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” The Prophet said, “To worship Him (Allah) Alone and to join none in worship with Him (Allah). Do you know what their right upon Him is?” I replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” The Prophet said, “Not to punish them (if they do so).”

]]> By: Nasir Rasheed http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/#comment-381 Nasir Rasheed Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:49:34 +0000 http://www.soach.org/?p=258#comment-381 AOA Dear Zulfiqar Its been a while but I want to put in my two cents. To me it feels like that what you are suggesting that life in west is somehow incompatible with islamic teaching, and I disagree with that notion. Isalm is truly a universal religion. A close study of Quran and Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) life, and it will become apparent that Tauheed is islam. Worshipping one an true God, i.e Allah, and there are plenty of Hadiths to support that believing in one God is essence of relegion. In todays world, we cannot recreate the society of 6th century Arab. I think that a lot of confusion stems from the sayings of Prophet that were more appropriate for their society and culture, and just because he did certain things in a certain way dosent make it a religious decree ( otherwise we all should be riding and eating camels and drinking camels milk, and drink camels urine in certain illnesses), a rational approach towards reiligion is necessary, as there is Hadith about a companion who had a date(khajoor) farm and Prophet once ate it asked how he grows them , he explained it to the Prophet, and in reply Prophet said why dont you do the other way, the companion listened and followed Prophets advice and next year did as he was advised, but the crop was not very good and he came to prophet and said I did it the way you advised and Prophet of islam said that I am your teacher in religious matters and follow me there, but in your daily business that you know better, do it your way. AOA
Dear Zulfiqar
Its been a while but I want to put in my two cents. To me it feels like that what you are suggesting that life in west is somehow incompatible with islamic teaching, and I disagree with that notion. Isalm is truly a universal religion.
A close study of Quran and Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) life, and it will become apparent that Tauheed is islam. Worshipping one an true God, i.e Allah, and there are plenty of Hadiths to support that believing in one God is essence of relegion. In todays world, we cannot recreate the society of 6th century Arab.
I think that a lot of confusion stems from the sayings of Prophet that were more appropriate for their society and culture, and just because he did certain things in a certain way dosent make it a religious decree ( otherwise we all should be riding and eating camels and drinking camels milk, and drink camels urine in certain illnesses), a rational approach towards reiligion is necessary, as there is Hadith about a companion who had a date(khajoor) farm and Prophet once ate it asked how he grows them , he explained it to the Prophet, and in reply Prophet said why dont you do the other way, the companion listened and followed Prophets advice and next year did as he was advised, but the crop was not very good and he came to prophet and said I did it the way you advised and Prophet of islam said that I am your teacher in religious matters and follow me there, but in your daily business that you know better, do it your way.

]]> By: Saleem Islam http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/#comment-272 Saleem Islam Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:35:56 +0000 http://www.soach.org/?p=258#comment-272 I feel that in the West, ideals of honesty, hard work, and not harming others are better than what we currently practice in the Land of the Pure. I feel more comfortable (and safe, even!) going to the mosque here than in Karachi. We cannot keep referring to the 'glorious past' of Islam and sigh wistfully. We need to move forward, as perhaps Zulfiqar was suggesting. The acts that are committed in the name of religion are truly awful, sometimes. I feel that in the West, ideals of honesty, hard work, and not harming others are better than what we currently practice in the Land of the Pure. I feel more comfortable (and safe, even!) going to the mosque here than in Karachi.

We cannot keep referring to the ‘glorious past’ of Islam and sigh wistfully. We need to move forward, as perhaps Zulfiqar was suggesting. The acts that are committed in the name of religion are truly awful, sometimes.

]]> By: Tahir http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/#comment-268 Tahir Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:50:12 +0000 http://www.soach.org/?p=258#comment-268 "Who is right? Only time will tell." I think we might already know the answer to that question. However, as someone said: "all my life I knew what was the right thing to do. But I could'nt do it. Why? It was too damn difficult." “Who is right? Only time will tell.”
I think we might already know the answer to that question.
However, as someone said:
“all my life I knew what was the right thing to do. But I could’nt do it.
Why?
It was too damn difficult.”

]]> By: Z Rana http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/#comment-235 Z Rana Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:58:56 +0000 http://www.soach.org/?p=258#comment-235 This article is not a criticism on any particular school of thought. It tries hard to avoid taking sides. It just tries to answer the basic question: Why we behave the way we do when it comes to our personal and religious identity in the Western world. It does not try to break any new ground but reinforces what we already know and believe. This article is not a criticism on any particular school of thought. It tries hard to avoid taking sides. It just tries to answer the basic question: Why we behave the way we do when it comes to our personal and religious identity in the Western world. It does not try to break any new ground but reinforces what we already know and believe.

]]> By: Ubaid Aslam http://soach.org/2008/02/28/the-seperation-of-church-and-steak/#comment-226 Ubaid Aslam Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:30:09 +0000 http://www.soach.org/?p=258#comment-226 Everything in life does fall under the canopy of Islam and Allah demands as much. The differenciation between a good human being and a good muslim is not justified though. We can still do all the things mentioned as being Islamic and still be a good human being . West, although frowns over some of these, has got no objection to practicing Islam at an individual level. It is when we talk about establishing an Islamic system that all the wrath falls upon us. We should understand that we have to establish that system in most of the so called Islamic countries first. There is basically no Khilafat and no Islamic country in the world at this moment in history. What Allah wants from us is again more than just practicing Islam at individual level. Islam demands establishing the sovereignty of Allah but we are far from it and with little hope of doing so in the near future. We should wait for the eventuality of 'being replaced by other nations who can establish the sovereignty of Allah' as announced in Quran. Individual practices are nothiing more than dinner table skirmishes. We are facing much more serious alegation at the moment which is going to haunt us on the day of judgement. We prefer 'Dunya' over 'Deen'. I dont miind my wife's hijab or going to the mosque occasionally as a minor discomfort compared to the huge material benefit which comes with living in the west. Everything in life does fall under the canopy of Islam and Allah demands as much. The differenciation between a good human being and a good muslim is not justified though. We can still do all the things mentioned as being Islamic and still be a good human being . West, although frowns over some of these, has got no objection to practicing Islam at an individual level. It is when we talk about establishing an Islamic system that all the wrath falls upon us. We should understand that we have to establish that system in most of the so called Islamic countries first. There is basically no Khilafat and no Islamic country in the world at this moment in history. What Allah wants from us is again more than just practicing Islam at individual level. Islam demands establishing the sovereignty of Allah but we are far from it and with little hope of doing so in the near future. We should wait for the eventuality of ‘being replaced by other nations who can establish the sovereignty of Allah’ as announced in Quran.
Individual practices are nothiing more than dinner table skirmishes. We are facing much more serious alegation at the moment which is going to haunt us on the day of judgement. We prefer ‘Dunya’ over ‘Deen’. I dont miind my wife’s hijab or going to the mosque occasionally as a minor discomfort compared to the huge material benefit which comes with living in the west.

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